I think with schizophrenia having the common Jungian intuitive introvert personality profile, if that objectivity is correct, although may not be, I had a tendency to think philosophically and gravitated to sociology or ‘social studies’ in school due to a kind of tendency to be more of an observer, critic and over-analyst of society and socializing than most people for whom social life is real and reality itself. Intuitive introvert sort of defines a person as having alternative thought perceptions to ones that a sensing extrovert would have.
It sounds like psychology, but these are social types really defined by fundamental differences in philosophy, due to how they form ideas about reality based on inherent methodology. One in a subjective and detached mode and the other in a more objective or empirical and involved one. I think being subjective and detached, moral facts and truths and social or hard realities were not in fact real to me whereas for the objectively involved they are moral and cultural realists, so I kind of engaged in a schizo social study in an a priori state in the beginning of young adulthood not really realizing that my detached and subjective ethics and resulting actions would draw the ire of kinds of realists: those that laws, codes, morals, science, scriptures and other objective systems are hard facts, fundamental as physical laws, and affronted by schizophrenia at least in reality detachment, credulousness at subjective phenomena, and odd or unusual thinking and behavior. Not just that but paranoia, delusions, and disorganization. Things in psychology, but the antithesis or diametric opposite of things considered in sociology to be the basis of social organization: cooperation and trust, facts, and orderliness.
So schizophrenia to me was being a kind of experience that eventually became understandable as an intersection between the schisms of psychological disorder and social order, where the psychological disorder by some fluke of syndromic dysfunction of the central nervous system creates a philosophical sociologist, or at least social critic or analyst, in some cases whereas normal brain function circularly results in normality. I guess it is not so surprising actually, if normal psychology and normal social participant are circular, that abnormal psychology will manifest in intuitive introverts of certain kinds that use irrational thinking methods applied to subjective phenomena, including subjective social ethics ie, making their own rules. I guess I’ll leave off there and try to rest a bit.
Ever since I learned about (dopamine) salience thanks to this forum (I don’t remember her username but I know the icon so apologies for not crediting this contribution to you).
I feel like however much I try to understand schizoid thinking, it comes down to being impossible because of the salience concept. The idea that whatever was relevent to me growing up, was down to randomness and therefore distorted who or what my identity was/is.
It makes a lot of sense for me because when I look back, i realise so much time was spent in my head or consuming media such as films or stories in video game and anime series plots too. That a real version of me was never really formed. Just a young man with opinions thanks to variety of media.
Now that’ I’ve lived a journey of my own, I have more to identify with. And it’s early days. The identity I have, is yet to be created by my doing.
I also subscribe to the idea of abundance mindset or growth mindset or positive mindset, I hope that when I reach my forties, the childhood and adolescence and early adulthood I’ve just recently left - will hopefully be looked back at in more forgiveness.
I call that a priori experiences. Future experiences such as learning words and concepts and theories etc. help us recontextualize and understand or reframe despite ‘salience’.
You have brains obviously, but you are trying to rationalize the way out of schizophrenia by pinning it to Jungian psychology.
You just got out of hospital and you are trying to cope with all these psychotic symbols and your mind is trying to cope and understand this psychosis by conflating symbology with the misfiring connections schizophrenia has made.
It is understandable to do that, but sometimes there are no answers; and to try and find connections in logic that is flawed may cause you further pain.
Let it go.
See joy in the fishing.
Marvel at the Summer skies.
Savour the beverage such as tea.
Life goes on.
Some things cannot be known, no matter how deep the well and your ability to intellectualize it.
Explaining your symptoms through philosophy may not help you at all. After all no philosopher has nailed it yet.
Get some sleep man. Think of joyous things you can do in the future.
Thanks, I am skeptical of the jungian thing… this is just a discourse on the subject nothing really. A ten minute stream of consciousness word salad. i