Pluribus- The ethical questions

I am on episode 3 of this curious show.

It is really good so far.

If you haven’t seen it it is about humanity becoming part of a unity/collective where every individual becomes one.

All memories and personalities are known and with that their knowledge too.

The collective are peaceful and happy and each individual exist as one being and each of their memories can be recalled in an instant.

There is no crime. The planet becomes a safe place. No animals are killed etc.

It is quite an incredible vision.

There are however, 12 people on the planet who are immune and are not swallowed into the unity.

There is no mental illness, or depression or any such things in the collective…

So I got to thinking, would I want to be part of the collective or remain as an individual?

Would you?

My initial thoughts swayed to the individual, but overcoming my condtioning where we see ourselves as really separate, I just wondered if perhaps it would be better to be part of the ‘pluribus’?

What do you think of this intriguing concept and show?

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Remain as an individual for me !

It sounds like it could end up as the “Borg” from Star Trek.

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one of the quotes from the show is:

When questioniong how long before you work out how to overcome the immunity?

“If you were in the park and there was a person drowning, would you throw them a lifebelt?”

The point being that you don’t know you are drowning…

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It sounds really interesting. I’m happy to have some fiction acting in a way that is not completely detrimental to our psychic health.

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I would probably not join it, afterall it likely would not be such a flawless execution as described.

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you don’t really get a choice.

You need to watch the show! It is great.

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I am interested in that kind of thing, but I don’t watch television programs

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Nope. Don’t even need to think twice.

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I just think that when I am in despair and question my existence, I then think that it would be better to be in the pluribus than dead….

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Yes, but the pluribus is a fantastical sci fi concept. Couldn’t you simply imagine another such concept that allows you your individuality? Or is the pluribus concept so ideal that any individual solution would be alienating in comparison?

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So far it seems that those in the pluribus are in bliss. So happy. The individual remains as a sole entity. Nearly every person on the planet is the same in that everything is known.

I wonder if the future for ‘them’ is bright when there are no longer any individuals, as how do they make progress? but still I am sure that ethical question comes up in later episodes.

It is an ideal. It is a utopian concept.

Some of the individuals left do feel alienated, true.

Quite a fascinating idea.

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Yes it is interesting. I will try to read some synopsis online, as I find that more tolerable than watching most shows.

My immediate problem is pluribus making mental illness and other personal suffering an individual problem that is somehow cured by joining into a collective. Mental illness is experienced individually, however it is not an individual problem: it is a collective problem of humanity from shared gene pool to cultural beliefs and practices.

I think there is a kind of logic inherent in it: that to integrate, assimilate, deindividuate etc. means to abandon discordant features and become harmonious. However, while that is expected and part of the logic, it is never perfectly executed in practice.

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If I’m not mistaken @Vaiana mentioned this show before.

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Yes, you’re right

I finished it recently

I didn’t see this thread, thank you for mentioning me :blush:

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Of course :slight_smile: I actually heard about it from you for the first time. Must be a popular show.

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Did you like the show v?

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When I feel like this it’s time to pick up a camera.

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Initially I was like it seems like the perfect world apart the fact you lose your uniqueness but some episodes show that it’s not that bright

I prefer to be one of the 12

I don’t need to know everything, I want to be able to learn new things

I don’t think they’re really happy, it’s just the only thing that count is their purpose

They’re not that kind, they will not hurt you physically but they can still hurt you emotionnally

I would be Manousos or Carol if I was in the serie

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The main actress has an award for her acting

It has more popularity than Severance so I guess it’s a popular show

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Yes, I loved it

I’m looking forward the next season

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